That is on the person who is encroaching. of Environmental Health when you apply for a septic permit (along with the number of bedrooms it can support). The issue is that each perc test only represents a 50-foot square, so unless you had a LOT of perc tests, we cannot definitively state that it doesnt perc.. If the soil scientist determines that the absorption rate listed for the soil type is too high, they may require a percolation test. It would depend on how the easement was written. First, lets talk about that division. It is greatly appreciated. This blog is incredibly insightful and thank you for taking time to respond. Most offices could. Any advice/suggestions are welcome! It isnt a difficult form to complete, but sometimes you just get behind. On the attached map, there is only one site on the property. They work by both allowing the water to absorb into the ground and to wick through the ground cover on the surface. That, or there is a neighbor tied into the same system. Is my first step getting the land perc? As for a dry cabin, I have never heard of this. In soils where the rate is 75 minutes per inch (MPI) or greater, a percolation test must be performed. Help! This is a hole dug 6 12 inches in diameter, about 36 42 inches in depth (around my area). My situation is that my wife has taken care of her grandparents for the last 10 yrs and we all moved to TN. Fast forward to today and we are updating our septic tanks and wondering if we should get a perc test done and find out if the land with our leech field has changed over the years. The state failed the perc test and told me to get a soil scientist to pass it. All goes into the tank and all goes into the drain field as a single product. I have contacted Johnson County environmental division. I have neighbors to the right and back of the property. Given the rate you quoted from the TDEC website and the 4-bedroom stip, you would be closer to 1200 ft rather than the 12,000 ft you were quoted. Test Content: The CMC-A exam consists of a business and law section and a trade knowledge section. We are trying to buy land. Perhaps you should talk to a different real estate agent this one is asking for a lawsuit. What can be built/placed on a parcel of land is determined by not only the soil absorption rate but also by the size of the area usable for subsurface disposal. It is also likely that runoff from the neighbor is infiltrating your drain field and saturating it. Just a thought. After that, the next stop would likely be the Dekalb County Department of Environmental Health. We have applied for a perc test, but found out yesterday that its going to take up to 6 weeks to have this done. Thank you. Persons who will be constructing, installing, altering, extending or repairing a subsurface sewage disposal systems are required to have a valid permit (seeRule 0400-48-01-.19). If one doesnt know of any alternative systems, try another. If you are not happy with the fee he is asking, you are more than welcome to hire someone else. The builder/homeowner should have secured an easement for the drain field. Your next step is to reach out the environmental health department that can be found at the Health Department (http://www.maurycounty-tn.gov/index.aspx?page=69). The property is in Mountain City, TN. Unless it was a rainy day, the water never made it to the end of the gravel and out to the natural drain. Where we plan to build is a stone throw from the trailer. Hi, I have a 13 acre property in Blount County Tn. My question to you is can our contactor break ground to start building out 5050 workshop with a one bedroom apartment attached to it before the perc test is done? I am not saying if this is good or bad, but it is how things are basically done. That way you will know it is square and within setbacks, etc. Thanks! They can also tell if you are good or if you need more soil work. So, area isnt as much a concern as linear feet. You may have a local, county office as well. I am currently looking to buy an acre privately for a homesite in Macon county. There is nothing being disposed on your land. My son bought 3 acres in coffee county that came with a perc Just going off ppl having trouble getting one in places. The perc site is at the bottom of the hill. How do you build a drain field in an area that was previously wooded? I dont know that I have ever had this issue. It wouldnt be the first time thats happened. 5. That soils engineer is too busy to recheck it, but he says that for a 4-bedroom home our property should have 12,000 square feet of drainage area. Theoretically, a system would likely be designed based on two people per bedroom. This over flow tanks were drained 3 weeks ago again. This is where percolation tests actually come into play. Im not sure if we will divide or not but if we have to we certainly can. It appears to be similar to an LPP system. I have a house in Davidson County, built in the 1950s. Hi there! If the soil does require a perc test, the test can go as high as 106 mpi (Rule 1200-1-6-.06(d)). You may be able to construct your septic system in the power transmission easement, but I am not sure. Also, if you are in a dry season, you are more likely to get desired results versus a wet, saturated season. I assume that is only a matter of distance for feasibility? It has been all septic, but a new sewer plant was built in 2014, but the sewer service has not yet expanded to most of the community. Now, that implies that there have not been any alterations to the land since the map and perc test were done. The map I have showes a lot of Dickson loam. Her grandparents bought a home on 11 acres in Wilson county Lebanon TN and planned on us getting half the land and putting a home there so my wife can continue to take care of them. Im looking to buy an acre lot in Rutherford county. Curtain/interceptor drains are also known as French drains. They are installed uphill of the septic system to catch the surface (and subsurface) water and divert it around the drain field to prevent runoff from infiltrating the system and saturating the land. I says it will take a 3 bedroom house. As in the case above, could we have it retested in another spot or on a lot this size did they likely test both areas & one failed? All nasty and undesireable. I seriously doubt anyone would force the landowner to remove the trailer unless the septic system was failing and could not be repaired. These are all kind of the same question, but I wasnt sure the best way to ask it: Do I need to have the proposed building area cleared before I have the DOEH come out to do a perc test? All of these are dealing with subsurface disposal (theoretically). The property is wooded. 2. A few questions. This map is stating that you have the ability to install a system but it will need to go to the county health department for consideration to establish how large a home is needed. Her home is a manufactured home, ours would be too. There are several options I have seen used here in Tennessee: artificial wetlands, low pressure pipes, enhanced filtration, etc. Can we place a second home on 7.6 acres? And then based on these two findings, we would submit this to the county to repermit the lot? Now, if you keep everyone above 15 acres, each one can put the land into greenbelt and reduce the amount of taxes you have to pay. If that is the case, you too would have to have an area mapped. I will say that it is usually easier to pass a perc in dry weather when the soils are not saturated. 2. I have 16 acres of land in Cumberland Country and a soil test failed. The local Department of Environmental Health approved it the septic system (the company installing the home sought the permits). I always thought it was number of bedrooms, but a friend of mine recently told me it was bathrooms, so now Im curious because were looking at adding onto our property and need to know if we need an additional perc site or if we can just use our current one. Since the perc test is meant to simulate the actual conditions in a working septic system, the soil is then "pre-soaked" for several hours to saturate the soil. Should we have soil map done before we purchase? Thank you. (It is messy) The issue with alternative systems is that they are not cheap. What is a perc test? It may be possible, but it will depend on if there is any un-mapped, usable land in your lot. Remember, you are also likely required to keep a 100% reserve area. sewage disposal systems, also known as septic systems. It says Bradyville 0-5% slopes, Fill, some triangles, I.P and Bradyville 75 mpi to 24, 0-5% slopes. Thanks. There are a few land panels for sale, one of them we are interested in is about 3 acres. If you want to build with a permit, you will have to show the bathroom. If the building site is excessively thick, it is possible to grub out the underbrush, but if you full clear and it turns out that is the only usable soil, then you are likely screwed. home| If you want a bigger house, you need to talk to the soil scientist and see if there is any other land available that wasnt mapped. Were a 5 person family, and would need to make a basement room an additional bedroom for one of the kids. The soil engineer who did the soil map knows nothing about aerobic systems. You must use an approved disposal method. Our land failed. You may need to hire a structural engineer to ascertain the usability of the land. Aside from a conventional septic system with a leachfield is there another option that would be up to code? Tell them the background and see what they say. Its currently vacant cattle farming land. As for reporting the Williamson County Department of Environmental Health (I assume that is who you are speaking of), the only recourses I know of is to get in touch with the Tennessee Department of Environmental Conservation (TDEC) and talk with them or you can contact the County Mayor or the Attorney General for the State of Tennessee. The Blount county Department of Environmental Health operates under the rules and regulations that govern subsurface sewage disposal systems, set forth by the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, a Division of Groundwater Protection. Timothy, You must apply online at tdec.tn.gov/septic . Map shows front flat area and some slope mapped, further slope to water unmapped. I dont mind paying an engineer to retest if that would do any good in getting an approval or confirming that the entire property is not suitable. One is across a creek from the house site, and wouldnt want to use that one as we wouldnt want to run the line across the creek. From my experience, bad soils (like Dandridge or Talbott) can perc, but they dont always. I am looking to purchase 5 acres in Cheatham County. Thanks! And would it be best if we can be there to at least meet the person doing the testing? We were hoping to build a three bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom. During? It has been a long time since I have had to deal with this element of development. Also who do I contact to have that done?? Thank you for all this info! Would their be a record of it somewhere? This will be a temporary housing so we are curious about the procedure to go about. Thanks again for your help! Then, you will either need to expand (assuming it isnt large enough) said system to cover the additional usage or construct a new system. It is their land. There are no extensions available after 30 days. 1,who keeps the original map 2,there seems to be 4 spots that are marked how do we make sense of them. If anyone is going to finance their construction, I would suggest encumbering the least amount of land as possible. First, a qualified geologist or civil engineer surveys the site, runs a percolation test (a test to determine suitability of the soil), and designs the system. We have a contract on a 34 acre property and need to get a perc test completed. Hello Timothy, I have 20acres in Marshall county all flat land and is currently being used to plant corn on. The surveyor was right in that you dont want to cut out a piece of land that cannot support a septic system. An offer is contingent upon viability of the perk sites, the last test was done in February 2015. Hello and thank you addressing questions. We own a little over an acre in Rutherford County. You could, but then you could also not get a certificate of occupancy once you have finished building. I do not think it matters if you install drainfield into a flood plain, presuming you have viable soils there. I am looking at building a house andesign I know Im going to need a septic system. It is a fairly detailed map showing the zones of different soil types for each section of the property. Who do I contact on a state level to report the extreme prejudices faced by Williamson County residents when it comes to getting perc test processed and approved and the multiple delays that occur. If the available soil is limit or if you only want a single drain field, you could pump the effluent to it from wherever is feasible (pump strength, line length, etc). We are looking at buying property and the seller said the perc site has been registered, and according to the plat the test was done in 2017. I am admittedly very uneducated in this field but it just strikes me as odd that you could have a perc test done, when the ground is wet. Do you know of anyone else that works in Shelby County TN? First and foremost, you may inadvertently damage an area of land that could have been used for your drainfield. I had another Realtor tell me on 30+ acre property in Dicksonyou didnt need a perc test, you could tell the county what you wanna build and they just give you permit, and that anything over 5acres didnt need a perc test?? The property was logged several years ago and was a mess. In your experience, do you know if the TVA and/or whomever does the wetlands may have done any types of testing that would be on record still? Thank you. 2. My recommendation is to have a soil scientist look it over and tell you where (in relation to where you want to build) you can put your septic system and reserve. This is likely at the discretion of your local environmental health department. This absorption rate is laid out in TN Rules 0400-48-01-.24 Appendix I. Actually, I have not seen a lagoon since I worked in rural Missouri in the late 90s. of environmental health is only accepting online applications and not meeting to answer questions, so I am really short on options. As for installing a system, I believe that those must be done by an approved installer. this in mind, the Department of Environment and Conservation was We are out of the country trying to navigate all this in hopes to have a home built to come back to in the next 1.5 years. Is it possible that an engineer might approve a design I made if deemed acceptable or do they have to design it, and charge for the honor? This may alleviate the problem. Where a percolation test is required to determine the percolation rate for a conventional system, the percolation holes used to determine this rate must be located at the intersection of lines in a grid pattern with maximum perpendicular distances of fifty (50) feet between the lines of the grid. Thanks in advance for all my random questions. However, because of the higher cost of this system and the higher potential for failures, we would love to see if the current lines could be relocated and still keep the traditional gravity fed septic. In addition, to obtain the license, the contractor must achieve a pass mark of at Remember, design is just speculatory. Who do I call to get a perc test done on property in East TN. If the soil type is better than 75 mpi, then there is no required perc test. For sewer line (street connection) information please contact WWTA at 423-209-7842. This means, in theory, that the area represented by a failed perc test is no longer usable for subsurface disposal. I do not see my question so I am going to try again. We have finalized our house plans and I am not sure how to move forward. I found the soil map and was curious if TrC2 soil could possibly perc for a 3 BR house or would it be a waste of time and money, requiring multiple test sites? As for blackwater or greywater. How would that affect a perk test? It doesnt have to be convenient, but it has to be useable. Essentially, you need a soil map to tell if you need to do percolation testing. comment. 60 MPI 18-48. The lines were drained, drainline for gutters moved, and 2 overflow tanks added. The Site Address would be by street name only, do not enter the street number. Nancy. I am frustrated and so upset due to the fact our loan will have to paid back in 6 months and still no house, just a flat pile of dirt and gravel. Any suggestions? This is to determine if you can use an alternate system. What if a house is only perced for 3 bedrooms? Contractors of septic systems require a license which is issued by the Commissioner of the Department of Environment and Conservation. Depending on the zoning and the availability of public water and sewer, one might be able to put as many as 12 houses on that land or maybe only the one. The land may not be suitable for sub-surface sewage disposal, but there may be an LPP or constructed wetlands, or another system it is suitable for. What would happen if you built the garage/shop/apartment and then couldnt install a bathroom/kitchen because you havent the soil to dispose of the wastewater? Yes, to both. I do think that they did the test at the wedding time as it has been raining but Im curious if we can legally hold the realtor responsible here since we went off his recommendations. Also, it may be possible for the soil to have failed because of drains and ditches. The issue is if you want to include a restroom. If your site has a valid soil map of the area you want to install, I would assume you could appeal the local decision through the State. I just didnt know if the county would give push back with me being the land owner since Im facilitating things. Hydrostatic Test (Hydrostatic) Documents from TDEC Division of . The lady tried to tell me about the septic I had to have not a place for a 2nd system if the first ever failed but to have a 2nd one installed. A peaceful resolution is typically better than reporting and subsequently firing the first salvo in what may turn into an all-out war with your neighbor. 1/2 lot mapped. Contact your local zoning board and determine what your property is zoned and what is allowed in said zone. I hope to start building my home early next year so any help would be great. 1. AFter a week of leveling the land; dirt & gravel; we are told you need to get a Perc test for the septic. What specific requirements or issues apply in this situation? If you dont need perc tests it likely means your soil type is good enough not to require verification. He told me the soil looks fine and that he would have passed it. Dickson silt loam is the soil type. If there are no sewer connections near us, what other options would we have? We dont do perc tests, but all the surveyors in this area are more than 2 months behind. In fact, this was painfully evident as the first river birch was much larger than the last. Odds are, there wasnt a permit issued yet anyway. Are you going to build on a single tract or are you going to divide? The state law requires a high-intensity soil map to get a septic permit. I am not sure how a surveyor would have cracked your existing lines, but I guess it could happen. What is the likelihood of being able to tie into the existing septic tank of his grandads house as it was never perced? Is this a practice that is used in Tn? Part of the addition would be directly over a portion of the perk site. Active Pumpers. If a property has failed a perc test, is it possible for it to pass the test years later? Try here: https://www.tn.gov/environment/permit-permits/water-permits1/septic-systems-permits/ssp/permit-water-septic-system-construction-permit.html. You may need to have your soil map amended if they didnt map the whole lot. Environmental Field Office. As far as I know, there are no pre-approved systems. There are also some trees that you would not want anywhere near a septic system, like willows. A means of disposing of sanitary sewage if you do not have a municipal sewer system. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); HTML tags allowed in your However, you cannot use land that has been disturbed or is much over a 30% slope. I have had a lot surveyed and a state licensed evaluator perform a perc test. I feel like they need to be reported to the states governing agency in order to not abuse their practices and position. Your limitation would be on distance and cost. The land does slope downward from the proposed home site, and the 2015 perks show a rate of 50-75 mpi. Upon meeting him there today and his evaluating five different sample pulls, he told me that the land would absolutely need a perk test. However, the builder cannot do the perc test. This practice exam will cover all aspects of the test including all subjects and books. I talked to a soil scientist the other day and it seems we (Tennessee) are down to 45 working soil scientists for the entire state. TIA. Any limits as to size of home? I would check with the local Department of Environmental Health to see what it means. I called the Dept. About dividing the land. Due to COVID both my employer and my husbands have transitioned to a full-time remote work force. Thank you for your info. 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