By Tom Bartlett April 4, 2019 If you want tickets for the forthcoming showdown between Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek, which will be held later this month in Toronto, better act fast: There. He did voice support for free education and universal health care as necessary for people to reach their potentials and pointed to the economic success of China, a quasi-capitalist system without democracy. But market success is also not innocent and neutral as a regulatory of the social recognition of competencies. The mere dumb presence of the celebrities on the stage mattered vastly more than anything they said, naturally. Burgis, Ben; Hamilton, Conrad Bongard; McManus, Matthew; Trejo, Marion (2020). So, its still yes, biologically conditioned sexuality, but it is if I may use this term transfunctionalised, it becomes a moment of a different cultural logic. Second yes, we should carry our burden and accept the suffering that goes with it. He too finished his remarks with a critique of political correctness, which he described as the world of impotence that masks pure defeat. Having watched it (video), I regret to inform you it was neither of those [22], Der Spiegel concluded that iek won the debate clearly, describing Peterson as "vain enough to show up to an artillery charge with a pocket knife". enjoy while Zizek is his tick-ridden idiosyncratic self. What if secretly they know she would kill her child again. Peterson's more practically-oriented style also made his arguments a bit more approachable to non-academics. Peterson stated that although capitalism produces inequalities, it is not like in other systems, or even parts of the world compared to the so-called Western civilization as it also produces wealth, seen in statistical data about the economic growth and reduction of poverty worldwide, providing an easier possibility to achieve happiness. argument abbreviated: There are three necessary features which distinguish a bad Marx paper: The article also has a nice summary of Peterson's opening The true utopia is that we can survive without such a change. We're in for quite a night a quick word about format. Doctor Slavoj iek is as philosopher. interesting because of it. We will probably slide towards apocalypse, he said. The first and sadly predominate reaction is the one of protected self-enclosure The world out there is in a mess, lets protect ourselves by all sorts of walls. It was officially titled Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism, and was drummed up thoroughly. [9] Billed by some as "the debate of the century",[2] the event had more tickets scalped than the Toronto Maple LeafsBoston Bruins playoff on the same day, and tickets sold on eBay for over $300. squarely throws under the bus as failed. For transcription of Zizeks first exposition (the actually coherent one I believe), I found that it had already been transcribed on Reddit during my own transcription so I integrated it into this one. Blackwood. 2 define the topic, if . [16][17] In a similar fashion, iek asked Peterson to name him personal names of "postmodern neo-Marxists" in Western academia and from where he got the statistical numbers because according to him the over-the-top political correctness is opposed to Marxism, to which Peterson replied that his references are aimed towards ideas that are connected with Marxism and postmodernism as a pheonomenon and not necessarily towards people defining themselves as such. This page has been accessed 35,754 times. They both wanted the same thing: capitalism with regulation, which is what every sane person wants. His charge against Peterson's argument is followed with how he thinks Zizek (or both), this part is the most interesting. The paper contains a close reading of the Manifesto. They needed enemies, needed combat, because in their solitudes, they had so little to offer. The Master and His Emissary: A Conversation with Dr. Iain McGilchrist Transcript . Ive been a professor, so I know what its like to wake up with a class scheduled and no lecture prepared. Among his points was that Marx and Engels focused too much on class struggle being the primary feature of modern society while ignoring the existence of hierarchy as a fact of nature. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Capitalism won, but today and thats my claim, we can debate about it the question is, does todays global capitalism contain strong enough antagonisms that prevent its indefinite reproduction. Studebaker wrote that "Zizek read a bizarre, meandering, canned speech which had very little to do with anything Peterson said or with the assigned topic. So, how to act? already. Should we then drop egalitarianism? cordial and respectful, something I really appreciated. Pity Jordan Peterson. That the debate will be live-streamed and more than 1,400 people have already dropped $14.95 for. Having listened to the recent debate between the philosopher Slavoj Zizek and the politician Daniel Hannan, one has the impression of having assisted to a sophisticated version of a sophomoric discussion between a marijuana-smoking hippy and the head of the Tory Students' Association at a posh college. This is why egalitarianism itself should never be accepted at its face value. My hero is here a black lady, Tarana Burke, who created the #MeToo campaign more than a decade ago. I call this the tankie-bashing bit. [15], At the beginning of his opening monologue, iek noted avoidance to participate in the debate in the role of an opponent and that both were victims of left liberals. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. ", Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window), Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window). thank you! My main purpose with this text is not to prove that Marx was right, but rather that Peterson's and Zizek's analysis are shortsighted and yet still give valuable insight about the state of Zizek and Peterson sell books for cash, but cash is just what you need for the real prize: the minds of men. Zizek Peterson Debate Transcript. We are responsible for our burdens. About No Subject - Encyclopedia of Psychoanalysis Error message: "The request cannot be completed because you have exceeded your. Instead they often engage in self-destructive behavior. from the University of Paris VIII. China in the last decades is arguably the greatest economic success story in human history. Last night, Jordan Peterson and Slavoj iek debated each other at the Sony Centre in Toronto. My point is that it looked like Peterson wasn't interested in replaying that kind of thing especially, not with Zizek. Postmodernism: History and Diagnosis Transcript Dr. Jordan Peterson 2019-05-17T08:28:01-04:00. And here applies the same logic to Christ himself. The paper contains a long digression about all the reasons the Soviet Union was terrible. It is just a version of what half a century ago in Europe was simply the predominant social democracy, and it is today decried as a threat to our freedoms, to the American way of life, and so on and so on. In Peterson's defense, he did manage to stay much closer to the actual topic of the debate, while Zizek jumped wildly between a dizzying number of subjects. No his conservatism is a post-modern performance, a gigantic ego trip. Die Analyse dieser Figur findet mit starkem Bezug zur Etablierung In the debate, Peterson and iek agreed on many issues, including a criticism of political correctness and identity politics. The debate can best be seen as a collection of interesting ideas from both The other hated communism but thought that capitalism possessed inherent contradictions. I have included my method and aims in a Note at the end of the transcript. His comments on one of the greatest feats of human rhetoric were full of expressions like You have to give the devil his due and This is a weird one and Almost all ideas are wrong. Share Highlights of the debate of the century: Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek on Facebook, Share Highlights of the debate of the century: Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek on Twitter, Share Highlights of the debate of the century: Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek on LinkedIn, Subscribe for counterintuitive, surprising, and impactful stories delivered to your inbox every Thursday, Slavoj iek vs Jordan Peterson Debate Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism (Apr 2019), Why winning isnt the real purpose of arguing. Next point. [20] Stephen Marche of The Guardian wrote that Peterson's opening remarks about The Communist Manifesto were "vague and not particularly informed", and that Peterson seemed generally unprepared,[21] while Jordan Foissy of Vice wrote that Peterson was "completely vacuous", making "ludicrous claims like no one has ever gotten power through exploiting people". Zizek will suit up for Team M and Peterson will wear the "C" on his hometown jersey. increasingly erratic in the rest of the debates. It is often claimed that true or not that religion makes some otherwise bad people do good things. Incidentally, so that you will not think that I do not know what I am talking about, in Communist countries those in power were obsessed with expanded reproduction, and were not under public control, so the situation was even worse. Good evening and welcome to the Sony Center for Performing Arts. interrupts himself to add "I will finish immediately" before finishing the joke. [12][13], The debate was divided into two thirty-minute introductions from each participant, followed by shorter ten-minute responses and time at the end for additional comments and answers to questions posed by the moderator, Stephen J. Other than that, multiple commentators (one, two) pointed that the "Debate wrote about commons before). What I Learned at the 'Debate' Between Jordan Peterson and Slavoj iek iek was less a cognizant thinker and more a pathological sacred cow tipper while Peterson was a bard for the. Transcripts | Jordan Peterson An archive of transcribed public lectures, interviews, podcasts, and YouTube videos. should have replied to defend communism. Thats what I would like to insist on we are telling ourselves stories about ourselves in order to acquire a meaningful experience of our lives. The lesson of todays terrorism is that if there is a god then everything even blowing up hundreds of innocent bystanders is permitted to those who claim to act directly on behalf of god. The Zizek Peterson Debate 18 May 2019 Having previously enjoyed and written about both Slavoj Zizek and Jordan Peterson, I was interested to learn they'd have a debate. I deeply appreciate evolutionary talk. The truth lies outside in what we do. Finally, the common space of humanity itself. First, a brief introductory remark. consist just in searching for happiness, no matter how much we spiritualise A New World Order is emerging, a world of peaceful co-existence of civilisations, but in what way does it function? Slavoj Zizek and Jordan Peterson debate on the concept of Happiness: Capitalism vs Marxism. Hegels motto Evil resides in the gaze which sees evil everywhere fully applies here. In such times of urgency, when we know we have to act but dont know how to act, thinking is needed. It's hard not to crack up when out of time for Aquella vez me parecieron ms slidos los argumentos del primero. Peterson noted at the outset that he'd set a personal milestone: StubHub tickets to the debate were going for more money than Maple Leafs playoff ticketsa big deal in Toronto. History and diagnosis transcript dr. Peterson discussing "happiness, capitalism vs. Extracto del debate realizado el 19 04 19 entre el psiclogo clnico y crtico cultural jordan peterson y el filsofo y psicoanalista slavoj . what the debate ended up being. And that was basically it. There can be few thingsI thinknow more, urgent and necessary in an age of reactionary partisan allegiance and degraded civil discourse than real, thinking about hard questions. Hundreds of millions raised from poverty into middle class existence. The Church of England is debating if believers should stop using gendered language when talking about God. please join me in welcoming to the stage Doctor Slavoj iek and Doctor Jordan Peterson. Because the left doesn't have its own house in order", "Is 'cultural Marxism' really taking over universities? I cannot but notice the irony of how Peterson and I, the participants in this duel of the century, are both marginalised by the official academic community. Regarding how the debate was receiving, judging from Twitter and some quick There was an opportunity. The experience that we have of our lives from within, the story we tell ourselves about ourselves, in order to account for what we are doing is and this is what I call ideology fundamentally a lie. or a similar conservation organization. Please note, during tonight's presentation, video, audio, and flash photography is prohibited and we have a strict zero, tolerance policy for any heckling or disruption. The true opposite of egotist self-love is not altruism a concern for the common good but envy, resentment, which makes me act against my own interests. Zizek and Peterson went head-to-head recently at a debate in Toronto. And sure, the level of the discussion might have been unappealing to all the But, according to recent estimates, there are now more forest areas in Europe than one hundred years or fifty years ago. Related research topic ideas. What qualifies them to pass a judgement in such a delicate matter? And Peterson agreed with him: It is not obvious to me that we can solve the problems that confront us. They are both self-described radical pessimists, about people and the world. In our daily lives, we pretend to desire things which we do not really desire, so that ultimately the worst thing that can happen is to get what we officially desire. Press J to jump to the feed. He couldnt believe it. In his turn, the self-proclaimed pessimist Zizek didnt always stick the larger economic topics, and did not want to be called communist. The past should be altered by the present as much as the present is directed by the past end of quote. Im far from a simple social constructionism here. If the academic left is all-powerful, they get to indulge in their victimization. I would like to refer to a classic Daniel Bell, Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism written back in 1976, where the author argues that the unbounded drive of modern capitalism undermines the moral foundations of the original protestant ethics. them, of all things, to French cuisine) are also worth a listen/read. It develops like French cuisine. of the Soviet Union would be pretty important. "almost all ideas are wrong". with its constellation of thinkers. However, in place of charging a fee and in recognition of the work I put, in, I would strongly ask anybody who found extensive use of it to give a small donation of $5 or more to. ) it, or in the effort to actualise our inner potentials. Regarding to the Peterson-Zizek debate as a whole, yes, I would recommend a listen. First, since we live in a modern era, we cannot simply refer to an unquestionable authority to confer a mission or task on us. El inters que suscit dicho encuentro descansa en gran parte en el carisma de sus protagonistas que con relativo xito han sabido posicionarse como rostros mediticos y . The digitalisation of our brains opens up unheard of new possibilities of control. But, nonetheless, deeply divided. yardstick: In our daily lives, we pretend to desire things which we do not really desire, And what about foreign interventions in Iraq and Syria, or by our proxies like Saudi Arabia in Yemen? The debate itself was framed as a free-spirited competition, "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism" two ideologies enter the ring, and in a world where we are free to think for ourselves, the true ideology would emerge victorious as 'truth.' This is I think now comes the problematic part for some of you maybe the problem with political correctness. [Scattered Audience applause and cheers]Both Doctor iek and Peterson transcend their titles, their disciplines, and the academy, just as this debatewe hopewill transcend purely economic questions by situating those in the frame Having previously enjoyed and written about both Slavoj Zizek and Jordan Ideology, Logos & Belief with Transliminal Media . He has published more than three, dozen books, many on the most seminal philosophers of the 19th and 20th centuries. It seems that our countries are run relatively well, but is the mess the so-called rogue countries find themselves in not connected to how we interact with them? iek didnt really address the matter at hand, either, preferring to relish his enmities. 2 Piano Mono - moshimo sound design. She observed in a recent critical note that in the years since the movement began it deployed an unwavering obsession with the perpetrators. and our "[23], In commenting directly on how the debate was received, iek wrote: "It is typical that many comments on the debate pointed out how Petersons and my position are really not so distinct, which is literally true in the sense that, from their standpoint, they cannot see the difference between the two of us: I am as suspicious as Peterson. If I visit your debate with Jordan Peterson it's on YouTube I felt you won that debate, and it's striking to me, the discussion between 1 hour 10 minutes and 1 hour 18 minutes. Billed as "The Debate of the Century", its official title was "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism". Before you say, its a utopia, I will tell you just think about in what way the market already functions today. The tone of the debate was also noted to be very google, pretty well on the center-right, and pretty badly on the left (broadly). First of all it's much shorter than Peterson Vs Harris. Next point one should stop blaming hedonist egotism for our woes. this event had the possibility to reach a much wider audience. self-reproducing nature to ("the historical necessity of progress towards divinity) that could impose meaning from above, and how it's impossible to go Furthermore, I think that social power and authority cannot be directly grounded in competence. With no biogenetic technologies, the creation of a new man, in the literal sense of changing human nature, becomes a realistic prospect. iek and Peterson met in Toronto on Friday. Egalitarianism often de facto means, I am ready to renounce something so that others will also not have it. Bonus: Zizek on the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Zizek on the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. The idea that people themselves should decide what to do about ecology sounds deep, but it begs an important question, even with their comprehension is no distorted by corporate interests. White, left liberals love to denigrate their own culture and claim euro-centrism for our evils. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This means something, but nature I think we should never forget this is not a stable hierarchical system but full of improvisations. Most of the attacks on me are now precisely from left liberals. They passionately support LGBT, they advocate charities and so on. I think there are such antagonisms. It was billed as a meeting of titans and that it was not. Peterson, I was interested to learn they'd have a debate. officially desire. people consumed the debate. His remarks were just as rambling as Petersons, veering from Trump and Sanders to Dostoevsky to the refugee crisis to the aesthetics of Nazism. It's also entertaining to watch, and I suspect this was the mode in which most Billed as "The Debate Other commentators opted for snide, which I think is sad although the linked
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