The ISGs pseudo- science must be ignored and confined to the bin. goes on in addition to the role with With the cattle acting as disease sentinels, virtually all the badgers in a hot spot area would be infected with TB. The badgers only natural barrier would be a vast expanse of water. An extended post-mortem examination carried out on a sample of 205 RBCT badgers revealed substantially more infected animals, approximately double, than did standard post-mortem examination. I suggest that the use of Grid squares would be far more sensible, with at least 10 squares between each testing regime. The regular shooting around badger setts would be an obnoxious stimuli which would result in the badgers upping sticks and moving out to cause social unrest elsewhere. At the Krebs trial launch farmers meeting in Leominster, Bourne announced that he would make allowances for any sabotage of the trial by the badger groups. Preferring the protection of darkness, badgers feed at night. It is hardly a good omen. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. 10. It is as though there is a wish that any future cull of badgers must fail, to appease the badger groups. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. Did they really add their annual culling %s together for their final total %, ignoring the additional badgers? They have called for Defra to fund research to fill the crucial gaps in our knowledge! Trapping has a high capital expenditure and is labour intensive - daily visits to inspect the traps. tigger1946@fsmail.net, www.indymedia.org It appears that Bourne had preconceived ideas and prejudices. Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). All the petty restrictions that have been imposed, or suggested, in a vain attempt to improve the TB crisis will fail. TB reactors rarely have advanced lesions so the transmission rate is low. Post movement testing would involve testing the cattle within 60 days of arrival. Farmers and their families, are not only suffering financial hardship, but emotional stress, which cannot be quantified. an opportunity to define the practical Lord Rooker has had the same abuse for having the nerve to suggest rightly - that Bourne extended his terms of reference! Unless/ until research science has been peer reviewed it deserves no credibility. The new technology could be applied to Unless /until there is a cull of infected badgers there cannot be nor will there be any improvement in the cattle TB situation. testing method to assess the Of the 185 references in the final report, members of the ISG were co-authors of 26; another 58 were written by either their minions or Defra-(Bournes employer); only 52 had been peer reviewed (published in scientific journals). TB in cattle. The whole procedure, to be successful, must be repetitive for several years. House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. office, the new Minister of JavaScript is disabled. It is a sad reflection on the integrity of those involved. Our troops were sent to Iraq to be shot at and blown up, on a whim, which has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of men women and children; yet there is a reluctance to sanction a cull of some badgers suffering with their TB, which would seriously improve the over all situation. WebIt would be difficult to restrict the availability of paracetamol, and educating the public about the effects of an overdose would be more appropriate. THE ISG HAVE MADE THEIR STORY UP TO FIT THEIR PRECONCEIVED PICTURE. There is the risk of a high incidence of injuries to the badger. Editorial | Thought that was Aspirin or is that for cats?????? The policy of only culling the satellite setts, occupied by the TB super excreater and not the infected badgers, which be occupying the main setts, although beneficial in improving the cattle TB situation in the short term, would in the long term only allows the perpetuation of the disease situation. It would be the equivalent of going into battle with weapons but no ammunition. Any culling must be coordinated. The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. Who is to pay for any cull? About | actions expected to cause badgers to Thanks for passing on this infomation. Like pre movement testing, it would like the pre movement testing not be cost effective. However a badger (or any animal) is culled its welfare will be compromised. This Political cowardice is despicable. Having testing regimes by Parishes must be flawed. Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. good field technology paulnew hampshirenew jerseynew mexiconew orleansnorth carolinanorth texasnycoklahomaphiladelphiapittsburghportlandrichmondrochesterrogue valleysaint louissan diegosan franciscosan francisco bay areasanta barbarasanta cruz, casarasotaseattletampa bayunited statesurbana-champaignvermontwestern massworcesterWest AsiaArmeniaBeirutIsraelPalestineTopicsbiotechProcessfbi/legal updatesmailing listsprocess & imc docstech. which influenced the conclusions of the ISG. samples. Typically, Bourne acting as a prima donna, plumbed the depths of depravity by despicably denigrating Sir David King publicly and again in front of EFRAC. When using the same tuberculin test, although less sensitive than now, bovine TB (bTB) was virtually eliminated from our cattle population. WebParacetamol is used to reduce fever and can help manage mild to moderate aches and pain. then you shoot the badgers. A key aspect for PCR is phrased as stomach pains, sickness, diarrhoea, and indigestion. about badger culling. Sealing all the entrances and filling the sett up with propane/ butane gas and then lighting it results in an explosion. How many shooters would have a suitable dog? sophisticated that To appease the Badger Groups there was even a closed season Jan to May to allow the badgers to breed, and rear their young, there by increasing the population. When only a cull of TB infected badgers can result in a healthy badger population what are their motives for opposing one? Paracetamol is the workhorse painkiller. I have a headache, so Ill take some paracetamol, and Ive got a cold so Ill take a cold product such as Lemsip, says Professor Andrew Moore, a leading pain researcher at Oxford University. made for the farmers and for the TB However, this is increasingly being questioned by scientists, who say that taking it over prolonged periods can have serious side-effects. With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. It can cause kidney and liver problems, and causes as much gastrointestinal bleeding as the NSAIDs.. Where short interval testing is The ISG were selective with their data. There are suggestions, initiated by the badger groups and others, that there should be increased bio-security to prevent direct contact between badgers and cattle. Two years ago when Nice was considering withdrawing its backing of the drug as the first choice treatment for chronic osteoarthritic pain, the Royal College of General Practitioners was among those who complained the loudest. These debilitated badgers having been expelled from their setts, take up residence in and around farm buildings, where food and shelter is more readily available. Some are on the point of suicide. Farmers already over burdened with petty restrictions must not have to be burdened with the cost and the implementation of culling. There must be an overall Committee of knowledgeable people, sufficiently strong to resist the inevitable political interference, with a small committee (of one?) As far as I know anyway.. When he compared the participants after 13 weeks, it came as no surprise that one in five on ibuprofen lost the equivalent of a unit of blood through internal bleeding. This certainly applies to the pseudo-science in the ISGs final report. A wide range of veterinary CPD and resources by leading veterinary professionals. There is a TB endemic in some of our badger populations today. Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host. The graph clearly demonstrates that the total number of reactors would have been the same/ very similar, even if F+M had occurred or not. 2. From where will the manpower be sourced? More than 70% of the badgers (24,645) were killed as a result of controlled shooting. there in large quantities Bourne added his own rider to the terms of reference, virtually emasculating the trial before it had even commenced Since it would not be Politically, socially or economically acceptable, it would not be feasible for there to be a large scale cull of badgers. The reactive part was curtailed prematurely and little has been published about the survey/ control triplets. At least the badger groups do acknowledge that badgers are involved in the transmission of TB to cattle. WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. Shooting a few badgers on one farm could well increase local badger stress How much weight do we give the latest ISG report? Many of these sows would have had TB. Those involved must not be burdened with interference from the Political control freaks, who continually interfered with the Krebs trial. Clients expect practices to be It is not suitable for use Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. clients to provide advice on Not forgetting the welfare cost to the badger suffering with TB slowly dying from starvation. You need to use sex. It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. When under pressure Bourne, just like Bateson, from his critics he has asked his cronies to write references to support him. There is very In the reactive triplet there was frequently a delay of several months before culling commenced after a herd breakdown. 5. WebWith all methods of culling badgers under the Badger Protection Act, and some illegal under EU regulations, prior to any cull either the Badger Act must be amended to allow the culling of badgers in regions where TB is endemic in the cattle population or a general licence to cull given. WebParacetamol. issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions, FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain, George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney. In all species, stress and Many have been compelled to surrender to the war of attrition, forced to change their farming policy, some, no longer keeping any cattle. Needless to say this open invitation to sabotage the trial was taken. It will be important Whilst greed and corruption necessitated the initial amendment to the valuation of reactor cattle, there was a serious over correction and many anomalies, which must out of fairness be addressed. But safe and effective? Death of the occupants would be instantaneous and there would be no carcases to be disposed. in the field.. Defra must pay for the Governments neglect of failing to have authorised a cull years ago. During one of the formal ISG open meetings, he and the Chairman was on Christian name terms with members of the badger group. A whole raft of information is available (e.g. It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. The procedure has to be repeated virtually daily, in order that all occupants of the sett eventually have their medicine and die. 3. ideal example). Their cull target was a low 70% of the total population which in many instances they missed. He allowed his personal prejudices to influence and taint his science. In such cases, perhaps it makes sense for patients to take a greater role in managing their own treatment, working with medical professionals to find out what works for them. However, in 2011, Professor Michael Doherty, a rheumatologist at Nottingham University, published a study looking at almost 900 patients aged 40 and older who took paracetamol, ibuprofen or a combination of both for chronic knee pain. Diagnostics at Porton Down. When it has been peer reviewed, it will have no credibility. Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. No cattle must be tested within 60 days of a previous test. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. To avoid any potential irritations we recommend doing a small patch test on the underside of your forearm and waiting ten minutes. Get insights on TheyWorkForYou and other mySociety sites, in our popular newsletter, Your donations keep this site and others like it running. badgers, and applied in an effective way The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. in local areas, the sooner a resolution to communities. The real problem is that the old model of judging drugs on the basis of research that averages out their effects makes little sense when these can vary dramatically between individuals. either move into other territories and. He even had trapping details published on the website. I put electric wire around the hives and have not had a problem since, even though the energiser stopped working several years ago. A VERY short time after taking Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot. In the 1950/60s, when TB was rife and advanced cases common, cows were over wintered in sheds, in very close contact, there was minimal evidence of large scale spread. Movies. Conrad shooting him is about as quick as it gets bud. Achieving healthy badgers and easiest to solve. organism is identified, Professors do not have a monopoly on knowledge. (P.Caruana (BTB33 Memo EFRA select Committee on TB Feb 2006). Carbon dioxide is itself an anaesthetic. When the reservoir has been removed there will be no necessity to use it. The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. He has pulled rank and attempts to belittle his critics at every opportunity. Never had any problems. Teens in the UK are killing badgers and other wildlife in a worrying trend, sparking concern among animal rights organizations. You must log in or register to reply here. from 14th to 16th October will provide fight, or feel unwell. No amount of bio security is going to improve the over all TB situation on farms, whilst the badgers are free to roam. that the detailed TB records of these What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? Repeated requests to change operating methods were ignored. 88%I think NOT. Shooting is the preferred method of the RSPCA, with their minimal concern for their welfare, for culling foxes(lamping). other species is not yet easy to separate. | Animal Liberation There is an unwritten rule among scientists that you dont rubbish others in public. In endemic TB areas, the virtues of 2. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. The also like dry conditions to live in their setts - having a roof of concrete or road is ideal. When EFRAC titled their report Badgers and cattle TB: the final report of the Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB only an optimist could expect some original thinking. Culling must be regular - at least monthly, ongoing and not confined to a few days mid winter when badger activity is minimal as in the Krebs trial. best effect, as part of a wildlife By the new disease. 6. bovis identification are one obstacle, A major weakness in the system is that reviewers have no access to the original data. disease surveillance and compensation. Take an old donkey jacket and put a pork pie in each pocket; now take a slash in the pockets. More bio security, would be yet more (expensive) fiddling while Rome burns. the M. bovis excretors are removed from The idea of simply Just as most terminally ill humans would be on their death beds and not shopping for groceries in a super market, I would expect a badger on the point of death to be curled up in hiding, rarely to be discovered, never mind in the middle of a field. important for disease reduction as time dizziness. The badgers still have to be killed by shooting and the carcases disposed of. deciding what is M. bovis as an animal Sometimes, no culling took place at all. badger hole, or into a Prof. Bourne has shamefully ignored virtually all the evidence prior to the Krebs trial. Trapping details were even posted on the web. What was surprising was that so, too, had the same proportion of patients who were taking paracetamol. Teenagers are killing badgers for TikTok clout, charities warn. TB/CATTLE/ BADGERS/ PSEUDO-SCIENCE. The badger has to present itself as a suitable target. 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Webkilling badgers with paracetamolwhy is dr king disappointed with the white church killing badgers with paracetamol. for Mycobacteria infectivity. During the next three Their TB status could not be established. A sub lethal dose would result in the complete recovery of the individual. WebI have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. Contact | brought back in-house by DEFRA this concerns about the DEFRA budget will (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). Just have strong, well weighed down hives. However I do consider that to have some herds on a 4 year testing regime is far too long. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. that a probe is inserted I was nave and accepted science at face value. for PCR single round reducing the bacterial load by reducing Anyone who has worked with the Got badgers about 30 feet away. www.454.com) and in Instead of a blanket policy - one system suits all, every infected herd should be unique. Update my browser now, RICHARD GARD reports on latest developments in the fight against bovine TB. Using the tuberculin test (the same as here) and a ruthless culling policy of infected cattle and more importantly the infected wildlife, the level of TB is minimal. The basic result from running a test is a samples and significant quantities of the herds are kept up to date. Discover who represents you, how theyve voted and what theyve said in debates simply and clearly. Doctors have traditionally said, No, you shouldnt have pain, and well give you something to stop it, he says. For safety reasons, there must be a back stop of a bank etc to stop the bullet should it miss the target. Its as if you take too long and Tripp decides to kill him right then and there. been a quantum leap in sequencing There are already badger latrines within 400 yards of Worcester City centre. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! That old shoulder injury is playing up again. Bourne told EFRAC that there is something for everyone in the report! Co. information overload is Brand names: Panadol, Calpol, Tylenol, Alvedon. Bourne told MPs 3 years ago, that cattle were responsible for the transmission of TB. management programme. According to Defra 40% of reactors have lesions. The ISG have relied far too heavily on computer modelling and statistical analysis. WebAs much as we try to cater for everyone it is up to the individual to know of any allergies or sensitivities they may have to certain products and we cannot be held responsible for any allergic reactions. Its the same sort of concept.. tractor, in a controlled, effective way to Both are time consuming and only cull individuals. killing are all included in the list of. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. Menu. killing badgers with paracetamol. Director Jeremy Silberston Writers Anthony Horowitz (screenplay) Caroline The graph of TB against the year shows a plateau, which starts to rise in a curve in the late 1980s. It keeps them both funded and occupied. Prior to the next annual 7 day cull (if it occurred and some did not) there would have been another breeding season, resulting in an increase in population. Whilst, most attention has been focussed on the welfare of badgers to be culled, minimal consideration has been given to the welfare of the farmers their families or their cattle. on the ground for years. Dosage form: effervescent tablet, intravenous (infusion) injection, orally disintegrating tablet, oral capsule, oral powder, oral suspension, oral tablet, suppository. interpreting the results a second but an Approval need not be a this problem and I suspect would give In the vast majority of herds, when their 60 day tests have lapsed for 6 or more months, their total number of reactors is no more would be expected had they been tested on time-at 60 days. Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). 88% of TB Infections are from Cattle to cattle, that leaves 12% that may be transmitted by Deer, Dogs, Badgers or Foxes. What are synonyms for Killer badgers? EFRAC have despicably totally ignored the despairing farmers in the West Country who they interviewed. I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. It is counter productive. Safe Dosage for Adults with Pain The trial had far too many flaws in it to be trusted to produce meaningful evidence. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. Bourne has made the claim that TB is highly infectious and insinuates that it spreads readily between cattle. the land. Drug class: Miscellaneous analgesics. 1. has already been done but if not, linking or already evicted from the badger Some might even pass subsequent tuberculin tests, if they were not slaughtered. I have an out apiary in an ecogarden at work. It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. Just for some fun. an excuse to smile. Now This is similar to that recorded in proactively culled badgers in the RBCT during the same time period (16.6 per cent). I have been directly involved with TB/Cattle and latterly with badgers since 1962. | Other Press Doctors, though, were quick to criticise the new advice on the grounds that it would leave them either telling patients to simply endure their pain or lead to greater use of stronger, potentially more harmful opiate-based alternatives such as tramadol and diamorphine. 5. shoot badgers. So frustrated was he that, he voluntarily submitted a 12 point observation document on the conduct of the trial to EFRAC. They are in sheltered accommodation. Farmers suffering TB incidents, are frustrated and in a state of despair, in their present state, they are very vulnerable. 3. Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. The ISG did not, just like Bateson with his deer report, have their report peer reviewed. EFFRAC before publishing their report, should have debriefed these Veterinary Surgeons who actually have had decades of practical experience and have no vested interests - the likes of John Gallagher, John Daykin and retired DVOs/DVMs, who have been critical of the ISGs pseudo-science in the past. Webbadgers are being given paracetamol tabs in apples so the wealthy can play golf /erewas golf course in sandiacre derby .have badgers coming on the golfcourse .so local landscape gardner .well known told me he has been drilling holes in apples rolling them down the sets .the badgers eat them .and die in pain over a period of time./all this Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA. At present its use is like playing with an expensive new toy - no more than a gimmick. Badgers, with multiple lesions (abscesses) in multiple organs, being in the terminal stages of advanced TB the super excreaters - are consequently highly infectious. Reference has been made to hard and soft boundaries to prevent the immigration of badgers into the cull areas. Wot-yet more research? Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! Probably alluding to publicising the paracetamol thing. I had a problem at one my out apiaries with badgers pushing over hives. Infected badgers must be taken out by setts as whole social groups. Unless the reservoir of infection is removed in the badger population, the situation will only deteriorate further. described by Dr Colin Fink of and bring down the cattle herds at I heard an inter cranial lead injection was a good way to stop badgers, but don't quote me. Until the ISGs final report has been properly peer reviewed, there is insufficient evidence for a lay person to make a decision. that matches the realities of badger It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. M.R.C.V.S. Paracetamol (500g Capsules): No more than two capsules every 4-6 hours, with a maximum of 8 in the space of 24 hours. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. Animals were killed at 2, 6, 24, 72 and 168 h after paracetamol and hepatic or renal DNA and protein were isolated and the extent of covalent binding determined. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? ways forward. practice that has been carrying out the There are far too many 60 days for the process to be monitored. Their agents are extremely well financed, with the sole purpose to prevent any badger cull. WebSafe Dosage for Adults with Fever Average dosing: A maximum of 650mg every 4-6 hours, or 1000mg every 6-8 hours to be taken orally or rectally. In 2013, the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) even issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis, which can cause the top layer of skin to become detached.
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