The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. Adulterous generally hide their actions. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. Tithing is a good thing to do & I believe God can be glorified if done with right heart, intent & purporses. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Baptists are not Protestants! As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. There are no rules about what to give at all. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. There's only one way to heaven, and that . I usually look fwd to these. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. @greg Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. I cannot judge this man. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. Read More. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. Its nothing personal, just logic. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. HWY 3 NW. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. 78. KJV Church Directory. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. . (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. 5. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. Churches in USA; Churches in Canada; Churches in Australia; Churches in the UK; Churches Worldwide . In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. Lynne, Theres no recourse. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. 5) shun folks that have left the church Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Everyone knew this was a farce. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. G.L. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. Steve must have been on vacation or something. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. Your reasoning is faulty. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. 8.) Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. Hope this clears up some confusion. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope is a Baptist church located at Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Zona Urbana Xochimilco, Mexicali, Baja California 21355, MX. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? What does this have to do with our discussion? Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. Just some thoughts. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. It became an independent church in 1746. Dress codes are not the problems. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. She is not shunned. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? 2.) In order to distinguish between the doctrinally unsound Baptist churches and those that believed the Bible many Baptist churches changed their name. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. The cause is clear. We do good works (they are only truly good b/c of the bllod of Jesus that justifys us & are perfect through His shed blood). Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. Filter Churches. 3. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. It should be free. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 2. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. We never shun people who leave the church. 2. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Enter city. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. In answer your assumptions about me. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. PO BOX 346. https://www.victorybaptistharvey.com victorybaptistharvey@gmail.com. The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Updates? Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. My brother attends an IFB church. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! Individuals may also seek membership, and those who do are usually ministers, missionaries, Bible teachers, evangelists, editors of Christian periodicals, or students.
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